Vietnamese hate China. What would the Vietnamese think of me? Freedom of speech is a big ass problem. Commie propaganda appears in schools a lot - yeah, "sing praise the communist" is just limited to singing national anthem; there are compulsory courses in universities such as Marxism, but no one take it seriously, most likely as a nightmarish burden of every student. Source: Pew Research Center analysis of 2017-2019 American Community Survey (IPUMS). Shine the light from the other side on me guys, my parents and their friends all paint this grim picture. In the 1950’s, John Foster Dulles, US Secretary of State, had formulated the Domino Theory. That’s another oversimplification. Most money goes through the mafia or through police and officials via bribes. If you don't comply to paying special 'fees' every month to the police, then bad things will harp on you. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. Others go back to have fun, taking advantage of the lower prices and nice girls. And, despite this slippage, roughly half of Germans (51%) still see America favorably. Vietnam's economy is 'thriving' only because the nation is becoming materialistic and the money funneled in the tourism industry goes to the government, and then to foreigners. Use a common sense approach when bring gifts into Vietnam. I had a friend in college whose parents were among those "boat people". In Episode 1, he pointed out that there were many players aside from Ho Chi Minh who rose up against the French to fight for Vietnam’s independence. Then I asked him how this film made him feel. The shadow of history is still there, but we do try to be sensitive to each other and just not getting into each other's faces in political debates. As much as you claim that we're brainwashed, you're no less in this. I am a Vietnamese-American. Then they come back to the US to talk trash about Vietnam. In my 3 month stay here in Saigon, I've been treated as a celebrity by my local friends. I didn’t feel the Vietnamese voices in the film were close enough to Thieu or credible enough to support those simplifications. And I cannot forgive Richard Nixon for making secret promises to the South Vietnamese government that he knew he could not keep, beginning during the 1968 presidential election and going until his resignation from office. I'm not Vietnamese, but I've asked this question a lot and the answers are always region dependent. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. We should learn from history.”. There are good Americans, and there are bad ones. It almost makes me think that this 1% scenario in the U.S. is minor compared to the margin in Vietnam. I cringed as it became clear the Defense Department was reducing Vietnamese lives to mere statistics; that President Lyndon B. Johnson kept escalating the war thinking that a few more bombs would kill the spirit of a people who just wanted to be rid of foreign powers; that diplomacy was never a first resort. And it's true, of course, that some American soldiers did some monstrous things in Vietnam. Asians are also pro-American. The nature of Vietnamese (not just Amerianc Vietnamese, but all Vietnameses) is non-confrontational, and this is why timid people tend to be intimidated into giving tips. The fact that they keep calling for the removal of the political system in Vietnam shows that they have no idea what consequences might come should Vietnam become unstable. My relatives from my mother's side, who are actually Chinese from Cho'lon hold Vietnam in a very negative view. Here you have peasants and thousand-aires, with a few millionaires, whereas in the US you have peasants and billionaires. It’s another patronizing film made by two white people! Vietnam is currently among the fastest-growing economies of Asia. I've realized that some days, I need a little bit more rest … “On the other hand, we Vietnamese probably didn’t understand Communism until it was too late.”. The private sector is developing fast here, and some of my Vietnamese-American friends are considering investing in the country in the future. South Koreans (82%), Bangladeshis (76%) and Vietnamese (76%) also agree. Food hygiene, corruption index, economic stability, human rights, medicine, infrastructure. The youth are entrenched in Communist propoganda. Most soldiers resented being sent to die in what they did not feel was their war. Happens to a lot of my friends who're studying abroad. The thing is, Vietnam does have a safety net (social medicine, ...), so it is difficult to make the comparison. These guys are often time scammers who stirs up hatred,then ask for donation from the local community to fund their "campaigns". They try to organize the holiday, help the International Student Office with activities promoting Vietnamese culture. By the way. We are like brothers. Just have to get used to the culture shock and their bribe system (which is standard in Asia). After watching four episodes together, we agreed the filmmakers got a lot of things right about the timeline of events. By the end of this month, I will have seen 36 hours of documentary film about a momentous event that is the backbone of my identity. The perception that Canadian institutions provide high quality … And recruiters had asked my mother to join the Vietcong, but my grandmother fended them off. Even half the Chinese give Uncle Sam a thumbs up. In school, it is customary sing praise for the communist government(similar to the pledge of alleigence). Whether I like it or not, the Vietnam War is my war, too. It depends on what you mean by "stifled." I understand why it is important to them, but to me, it's uninteresting and unrelatable. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/opinion/what-do-vietnamese-americans-think-of-the-vietnam-war.html. All in all, feels good man. TLDR: We don't hate them. (The other countries with … For #1) it's because the Vietnamese-American community's media back in the US is extremely negative to Vietnam to the point of propaganda and #2) After reunification, The Chinese community in Saigon was forced to shut down businesses overnight - the only way to survive was to leave the country. No, this is not the norm. Use a common sense approach when bring gifts into Vietnam. Trevor Blayney, N. Ireland There was no genocide perpetrated by the Americans in Vietnam. You must've looked different from them, and being a closed country (especially 10 years ago), you'll get a lot of attention. I'm sure they didn't mean to offend you. If you want to see what a HUGE income gap looks like, go somewhere less developed like Cambodia. The business culture here isn’t that simple, though. The government used to block Facebook (can be circumvented via very simple techniques such as changing DNS servers), but they don't anymore. Then I asked him how this film made him feel. The snitch part is not true. This one infuriates business people all the time, because they come to Vietnam with their own ideas about how things should operate: I tell you what I want, you give me a price, and then you deliver. What Americans Think of Australia | Welcome To New York! There’s just too much … I myself don't hold any negative view of Viet American. :) But it is no where near the level of censorship of China. If you don't comply to paying special 'fees' every month to the police, then bad things will harp on you. This religious division prevented unity at a time when the country desperately needed to fight the simplicity of Communist ideology. Personally, I think this is just out of spite and hatred (maybe justified due to the hardships that they endured as the old Southern Vietnamese government lost the civil war). The ‘American War’ for the Vietnamese is still a haunting reminder from the past. I noticed my dad was quiet and his eyes a bit misty after hours of reliving the war. If you do not carry things like large amount of iPhone/iPads, large amount of media, etc ...(under Vietnamese law to be illegal or taxable), then do not tip. When I initially moved to Vietnam, I couldn’t help to compare Vietnamese women to the women in the Philippines, a country where I spent about a year before that. IMPORTANT: Please make sure to quickly glance through the rules before posting anything. It's like everywhere. You got a big smile on your face and accept everything you're offered, and people love you. Vietnamese and Filipino women. Sounds similar to the U.S. A Vietnamese war veteran once said to a journalist that what really hurt him is the fact that the media still show pictures of US soldiers … To me, Viet Americans, who were born in America, and did not spend a significant amount of time living in Vietnam, are just Americans. What Does Vietnam Think About America’s Indo-Pacific Strategy? Instead, they learned in real time, in the months after the fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975. This stated that if one country fell to communism, then its neighbour would and then the neighbour to this … The youth are entrenched in Communist propoganda. But saying the economy is not "thriving" is not true. I learned little tidbits, like that my dad had been an election monitor in Saigon. Sounds similar to the U.S. Freedom of speech is a big ass problem. I am emotionally exhausted. Only do this is you want to get through REALLY fast otherwise it really doesn't matter (i never bribe them), Not true, there are a CRAP TON of universities in VN, here is just a partial list for HCMC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Universities_in_Ho_Chi_Minh_City, kinda true, much more true in Vietnamese than English, as long as you are not blatantly anti-government & offensive, then your generally fine. Yes, they are corrupt, but the income gap is not as extreme as it is in the US. A lot of people, especially Europeans, ask me how I am received as an American in Vietnam. Communism has just been in Vietnam for less than a hundred year, but Eastern tradition (which emphasis a lot on family tradition and respect toward older generations) has been here for thousands years. President Nguyen Van Thieu and Prime Minister Nguyen Cao Ky of South Vietnam were imperfect leaders, certainly, but their depictions felt obvious and oversimplified. I think they government understands the importance of the Internet, though they're still pretty much wary about it. I guess, in general, people don't like the bad ones. Many parents want their kids to stay close to some distant relatives or even their friends,” he says. I have many Vietnamese-American friends and they overall had a very negative view of Vietnam. Apparently starting a business in Vietnam is hard as a foreigner. EDIT: the school I learned to be a teacher, not the school i work at (in 2nd paragraph) bribed the sheriff. They just want to live their life. It’s not merely a homage to American heroism. Vietnamese Americans are as segregated as African Americans, and there has been little change in the trend in the last two decades, according to research by … I can definitely say I know more about this war now than I did before. I can speak Vietnamese just fine, but they still knew I wasn't from there. This is critical information we all deserve to know, and serves to me as an important reminder of why this film matters. While Mr. Burns and Ms. Novick may have featured more white American voices than Vietnamese perspectives, they were unflinching in their use of historical recordings and documents to show the extent to which American policymakers looked down upon the Vietnamese and used them as a proxy in a much larger geopolitical war. Your post may get removed for violating them. The government pays us exorbitantly high wages compared to the local averages. On the other hand, most of the major companies in Vietnam will not consider candidates without a bachelor degree. There were certainly atrocities as there are, unfortunately, in any war. It seems that going to University in Vietnam is not worth it as there are not jobs. Sometimes officials will "find" anti-government pamphlets and put them in jail, where they are in bail for a large sum of money. You're wrong. Apparently starting a business in Vietnam is hard as a foreigner. and then come back to Vietnam and look down on everyone who lives here. Particularly in the southern provinces, the policies there are very supportive of foreign investment. Then we hate them. Maybe they think you're unbelievably beautiful. The biggest issue is government-own companies, which is stagnating the economy in many ways. I was wondering how do people in Vietnam view people who have left the nation for good such as Vietnamese in USA? Seems to be get what you give kind of situation. Painful as this film was to watch, my dad still said, “We have to keep seeking the truth so we don’t make the same mistakes. Vietnamese have to deal with this kind of stuff, but as a foreigner this is rare, if not non-existent. Vietnamese here. Post related things & feel free to ask the community any questions you may have. I asked them to elaborate but they got so emotional they were unable to. We were taught with a pro-communism history, and I had to learn Marxism in my first year of university. Also sounds made up, most of the business in VN is Vietnamese, not foreign, and most of the tourism industry is owned by SaigonTourist, which is itself owned by the Vietnamese Government. Rather than having the money stay in the local economy. One instance of how money goes back to white people is through teaching English. The airport workers and policeman's salaries are highly dependent on these tips. Is this do to politics or something else? While there were still not a lot of interaction between both sides, I would chart it up to cultural and personal habits (for example, they like football when most of us like and play soccer, ...). I feel like, as a Vietnamese American, I'm very much over hearing about the Vietnam War from the perspective of White Americans. Looking back, he wishes the South Vietnamese government could have better communicated to the masses why Communism was worth resisting. “American pain and suffering is something I feel is important to discuss and think about, but it should not come at the expense of Vietnamese pain and suffering, which is what usually happens.” Enlighten me because the only news I get is biased, where my father served as a Naval Officer for the South. It’s the beginning of a conversation that Vietnamese-Americans should have among themselves. And I say this with nothing but love for the place. Finally the Australian owner's wife (Vietnamese) went to the head of the sheriffs office and offered his kids life time scholarships to learn english, and the bribes ended that day. Their … I went to Vietnam a few times as a little girl, and everyone would stare at me. Some of my friends are total assholes to their own people though. The prisoners eventually escape, but have become addicted to the game and seek out the game at illegal … Education seems to be stifled, especially higher education. They certainly know what they're doing is in no way constructive. Learning about what the Vietnam War was like from the pov my parents vs the pov they teach in American schools can be jarring af. Also the government is very corrupt and that the economic gap is and always has been extremely wide. There’s a short answer, and a long answer. I see many fewer South Vietnam flags. There are a lot of similarities between Vietnamese … I don't take sides, I just want to understand. I have almost met many Vietnamese American who is working very hard, and to my surprise, many of them are apolitical and they just don't really care about political things anymore. By Derek Grossman. Rather than having the money stay in the local economy. They are also told to be 'snitches', which makes elder family members at home liable to treason. “The Vietnam War” on PBS is over, but my personal journey to understand what happened to Vietnamese people is just beginning. They were private, but I work for a company that ships us to public schools, and the gov't pays our company. Our family’s home village is Trang Bang, a place made famous when a little girl ran – naked and napalmed – toward the lens of an Associated Press photographer, Nick Ut. Another "North Korea"-like thought. Sure it's ahead of Myanamar, Laos and maybe Cambodia, but compared to the majority of the world, not so much. The thing is, in places like the War Remnants Museum (and also to some extent at the Cu Chi Tunnels) Americans are made out to be monsters. Sometimes officials will "find" anti-government pamphlets and put them in jail, where they are in bail for a large sum of money. As a longtime journalist turned producer, I initially found the series to be enlightening and more nuanced than previous treatments of the Vietnam War. In school, it is customary sing praise for the communist government(similar to the pledge of alleigence). Since the premiere of the documentary on PBS, I’ve watched it almost nightly, as well as several hours online with my dad so that he could see it captioned in Vietnamese. The only way for me to reconcile with or to make sense of the carnage is to understand the root causes of this war. We complain about the government everywhere, from Facebook to online forums. See methodology for more detail. Probably because, at the moment, most of them are pretty pissed off … I wonder how they managed to survive wartime atrocities. Even when I was sitting around watching tv at my uncle's house, all of the neighborhood kids would come stand at our window and stare at me. Education is a big ass problem. Education seems to be stifled, especially higher education. I'm Vietnamese-American. I’ve been surprised by the strongly negative reactions by some of my fellow Vietnamese-Americans to this film. First of all, there was a draft. I cringe reading this. That is explainable from a personal perspective, but I just fucking hate the way they talk about it as if Vietnam is at the bottom of the world. To be honest, nobody believes those stories anymore, especially when the internet gives rise to so much information unavailable in print text before. According to the Pew Research Center, Vietnam is among seven out of 37 surveyed countries where a majority of the population says they like Trump: 58 percent of Vietnamese told Pew earlier this year that they have “confidence in Trump to do the right thing when it comes to international affairs,” compared with the global median of 22 percent. It's the point in the semester where students start to feel burnt out, and I've started to feel it, too. Nor should the … By accepting this reality, I believe my dad learned more about how the Americans viewed the Vietnamese during the war. Ho led the country to triumph: first they kicked out the French colonizers, then they humiliated the United States. And as time goes on I think people will bring up politics less. If you don't comply to paying special 'fees' every month to the police, then bad things will harp on you. Apparently starting a business in Vietnam is hard as a foreigner. Even though it might seem – to you, a foreigner – that they should hate the Americans instead. To add a bit on the third group. It seems that going to University in Vietnam is not worth it as there are not jobs. I let him have a moment. The more we watched, the more we realized that we had to tamp down our expectations as minorities, and understand the film’s limitations. Press J to jump to the feed. Freedom of speech in off-line world is virtually to none here. - YouTube. He felt strongly that their stories should not have been left out. It is true that it is difficult to bring profits of a company with foreign investment out of Vietnam, but the government knows that investment in the form of opening companies is vital to the development of economics. It makes the South Vietnamese look bad! Vietnam's economy is 'thriving' only because the nation is becoming materialistic and the money funneled in the tourism industry goes to the government, and then to foreigners. They do not care about politics and governments and such. The short answer is: they love me. Xin chào! Except for when they badmouth our country. The other points are ok, but this one is hilariously distorted. If you do not carry things like large amount of iPhone/iPads, large amount of media, etc ...(under Vietnamese law to be illegal or taxable), then do not tip. It doesn’t matter that I was born after the fighting ended. It’s like traveling back in time. One friend has a total bad attitude towards the locals, and calls everyone a communist whenever she doesn't get her way in some transaction. It is what it is. to U.S. Census Bureau, the median household income for And it's right for Vietnam to want the U.S. to take responsibility. There are dark sides of the growth of Vietnam, but it's not the tourism industry (which I don't see doing very well here) or foreigners. The online world of Vietnam mutes any free thought. There's nobody hated more than the bullshitters who return here with some cash in their pocket from a routine job in the West because of income disparities, who then act like little lordlings or pretend they're high fliers. Also the government is very corrupt and that the economic gap is and always has been extremely wide. I can confirm most of this. Sometimes officials will "find" anti-government pamphlets and put them in jail, where they are in bail for a large sum of money. Musicians and poets get locked up for having any content against the government. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The younger generations are fine. But that's it. Pew Research Center. The Deer Hunter, made in 1978, tells the story of three Russian-American workers who journey to Vietnam and are taken prisoner by the Communist Viet Cong troops. I tracked his reactions as he listened to the mother of an American soldier who had insisted on joining the military and died in Vietnam. The nature of Vietnamese (not just Amerianc Vietnamese, but all Vietnameses) is non-confrontational, and this is why timid people tend to be intimidated into … Thank you so much for the insight. There’s just too much history that isn’t covered here,” he said, acknowledging the added challenge of verifying the history of a nation that no longer exists. I'm Viet-kieu, and all the Vietnamese have always been excellent to me. Still doesn’t. Hopefully, the effects have been realized at a governmental level and people will try to control themselves from taking too much out of the cookie jar. Musicians and poets get locked up for having any content against the government. They are taught marxist ideology at school however. He sometimes calls me his "communist friend" (jokingly, of course). Still doesn’t. The fact that they keep calling for the removal of the political system in Vietnam shows that they have no idea what consequences might come should Vietnam become unstable. Just one year earlier, my uncle had been murdered not far from that same spot for being an ARVN officer. The youth are entrenched in Communist propoganda. IDP research, however, has shown that Vietnamese perceptions of the US as a “safe environment” have declined in recent years. And the current political system is destabilizing Vietnam. This is the reddit home of the country Vietnam. On the other hand it is super important in that most people with money are foreigners, so young people have a better chance at making money if they do speak english. I only have respect for them, as they are representatives of the resilient spirit of Vietnam. Putting corruptions in education asides (a huge topic by itself), I think Vietnamese education has a strong theoretical background (fields like math and physics), but there is a well recognized lack of creativity and soft skills in Vietnamese higher education. I do not think any other people would so easily forgive the genocide in support of a colonial regime Tridiv, Germany/India There was no genocide perpetrated by the Americans in Vietnam. In school, it is customary sing praise for the communist government(similar to the pledge of alleigence). The producers are Communist sympathizers! Figures for Vietnamese and all Asians based on mixed-race and mixed-group populations, regardless of Hispanic origin.
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